There’s an interesting discussion going on online amongst music fans on the internet. Oh, did I say “interesting”? I meant “blindingly infuriating.”

Basically, the conversation goes as follows: Every Taylor Swift fan, for example, should — and should be able to — see their favorite artist perform at least once. Therefore, they should spend their money on tickets, potentially ahead of other necessities like rent. Trying to tell them not to do this is ableist/classist/pick your favorite pejorative.

To be clear, this isn’t an opinion held by *all* pop music/Taylor Swift fans. This is just a particularly annoying, particularly vocal, fraction of a fraction of those fanbases. Still, it’s become enough of an issue that some Swifties are now telling fellow fans to please take care of their necessities before blowing their money on flights, hotels and tickets — or, at the very least, not asking for money later when they can’t afford to pay for their groceries.

“hey so it’s not ableist to say that you should prioritize your rent over concert tickets. i’m begging y’all to stop just throwing that word around,” reads one tweet on the topic with over 143,000 likes, with the author clarifying later that the post was largely in reference to “the people that go to multiple shows and then begs for someone else to pay their bills when they’re broke after.”

While this discourse has been brewing amongst Swifties for a while, Swift’s fandom is certainly not alone in having it. Lovers of everyone from Chappell Roan to Olivia Rodrigo to Katseye have all discussed “that one friend” who asks people for money, then shows themselves having a good time at Coachella.

Naturally, it should go without saying that both concerts and rent are too expensive these days, and many of these problems could be resolved by simply reducing the cost of both. But for the time being, fandoms are just begging other members of their in-group to learn a little money management.