Wtf, Is This About?
Letemdangle
Published
10/09/2010
Is America on the verge of tyranny? I read this story and wondered, is this really true? I got to get ready for a family meal but if anyone could explain this to me, I would really appreciate it.
I hope it is not or at least there is a really good explanation.
John Irish & Stephanie Taylor: New Hampshire State "Thugs" Snatch Newborn Over Political Beliefs 1/3
What was supposed to be one of the most joyous occasions of their lives turned into a nightmare for John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin, after they were told by The Director of Security and the Head Nurse at Concord Hospital that their baby would be taken to be checked by the hospital pediatrician.
"They lied to us -- they got us to allow them to take our daughter under false pretenses, we didn't even have a choice," said Irish.
When Irish tried to stop his daughter being taken, the baby was immediately wheeled out in a bassinet, after which Irish saw three men in suits accompanied by uniformed police officers as well as detectives and social workers. who proceeded to try to search Irish.
"They forced me to stand up, held my hands behind my back and patted me down," said Irish, before police told him they were taking the baby.
"My fiance didn't even get any time to bond with the baby -- they came in and stole our child," said Irish. The parents were given a couple of minutes with their daughter before being forced by police to leave the hospital. Irish was subsequently told that a "security officer" would follow his every move.
The affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, "The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers," confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.
Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government's war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced.
"Regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish's association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody." writes Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes. "Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that "officials" may not approve of. Don't you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on "the list" and then child protective services might come take your kids."
The parents were not even full members of the Oath Keepers organization, they were merely on a discussion list related to the group. This makes the case even more shocking -- you don't even have to be directly associated with a group that the government deems to be a "militia" to have your baby stolen -- you merely have to be involved in online discussions of issues relating to the constitution and freedom in America.
Irish's father's web page clearly states that he supports a "NON-violent, law abiding gathering of like minded Patriots," and that he is "AGAINST ANY acts of violence or illegal activity."
"The Sons of Liberty Riders does not endorse or tolerate radical, extreme, violent or racial postings," states the website.
The Oath Keepers organization is not a "militia," as the affidavit claims, it is merely a loose network of current and former military and law enforcement professionals who have sworn not to obey unconstitutional orders such as gun confiscation, warrant less searches and mass internment of Americans. The group is committed to non-violence.
If this case is allowed to stand it opens up a hellish future for free speech and political discourse in America. If parents live in fear of having their children stolen by the state because they criticize the government, the United States can rank itself amongst the worst dictatorships in history who invoked the threat of taking people's children if they spoke out against tyranny.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has announced that a legal defense fund will be created to help Irish, and that the organization, "will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress."
"We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law," wrote Stewart on the Oath Keepers website.
I hope it is not or at least there is a really good explanation.
John Irish & Stephanie Taylor: New Hampshire State "Thugs" Snatch Newborn Over Political Beliefs 1/3
What was supposed to be one of the most joyous occasions of their lives turned into a nightmare for John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin, after they were told by The Director of Security and the Head Nurse at Concord Hospital that their baby would be taken to be checked by the hospital pediatrician.
"They lied to us -- they got us to allow them to take our daughter under false pretenses, we didn't even have a choice," said Irish.
When Irish tried to stop his daughter being taken, the baby was immediately wheeled out in a bassinet, after which Irish saw three men in suits accompanied by uniformed police officers as well as detectives and social workers. who proceeded to try to search Irish.
"They forced me to stand up, held my hands behind my back and patted me down," said Irish, before police told him they were taking the baby.
"My fiance didn't even get any time to bond with the baby -- they came in and stole our child," said Irish. The parents were given a couple of minutes with their daughter before being forced by police to leave the hospital. Irish was subsequently told that a "security officer" would follow his every move.
The affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, "The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers," confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.
Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government's war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced.
"Regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish's association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody." writes Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes. "Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that "officials" may not approve of. Don't you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on "the list" and then child protective services might come take your kids."
The parents were not even full members of the Oath Keepers organization, they were merely on a discussion list related to the group. This makes the case even more shocking -- you don't even have to be directly associated with a group that the government deems to be a "militia" to have your baby stolen -- you merely have to be involved in online discussions of issues relating to the constitution and freedom in America.
Irish's father's web page clearly states that he supports a "NON-violent, law abiding gathering of like minded Patriots," and that he is "AGAINST ANY acts of violence or illegal activity."
"The Sons of Liberty Riders does not endorse or tolerate radical, extreme, violent or racial postings," states the website.
The Oath Keepers organization is not a "militia," as the affidavit claims, it is merely a loose network of current and former military and law enforcement professionals who have sworn not to obey unconstitutional orders such as gun confiscation, warrant less searches and mass internment of Americans. The group is committed to non-violence.
If this case is allowed to stand it opens up a hellish future for free speech and political discourse in America. If parents live in fear of having their children stolen by the state because they criticize the government, the United States can rank itself amongst the worst dictatorships in history who invoked the threat of taking people's children if they spoke out against tyranny.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has announced that a legal defense fund will be created to help Irish, and that the organization, "will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress."
"We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law," wrote Stewart on the Oath Keepers website.
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